time restriced diet

[motomysz]

Today I came upon a topic that mentioned time restricted diet as a great way to lean out and actually gain/retain muscle mass, I could not fund much about this topic except this promo article on tnation (T-nation articles suck, by and large) and this study behind a pay wall https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25470547.

Now in the topic there were claims that study subjects actually gained muscle mass without any additional training (maybe they meant that lean muscle mass ratio was higher due to fat loss? ) and people claimed to have much better endurance when running the 9hour diet (which is super awkward from MPS perspective as you get 2x MPS for the feeding cycle - You guys said that MPS can occur every 3-5 hours between them does this depend on genes or more age related? what I mean how do I know if I can eat every 3hours and squeeze 3 MPS cycles or should I do more like every 5 hours) and also how do I consume enough calories during such a short time ?

[Jordan Feigenbaum]

Motomysz,

Thanks for the post. A few things:

1) The article on tnation is junk science and anecdote. I'm not sure I'd base any training or nutrition decision off of that particular article.
2) The study you linked is not, in fact, behind a paywall- but rather it is freely available for viewing or download.
3) It is also entirely done in Mice. No humans study results discussed here.
4) It does not claim anything you cite in humans. I'm not sure how you got to those conclusions.
5) The MPS cycle does not depend on genes or age, no. It can virtually always occur after 3 hours. So 5 hours would work too.
6) I would not recommend time restricted feeding as a first line dietary intervention.

[motomysz]

Hey Jordan

Thank you for the answer,
1.Yeah I figured that tnation is pushing some bs
2. You are right I should have paid more attention
4. I was not trying to imply that the study was mentioning humans, I saw this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC3dQaY1Mrs and was curious on the topic but could not find anything concrete on the topic.
6. I see, I guess its back to the old trusted calorie counting

Thanks

[Jordan Feigenbaum]

TRF wouldn't work anyway without calorie control, ya know?

I think Dr. Patrick is very smart obviously, but the Internet is a dangerous place when you don't qualify or contextualize your statements.

[motomysz]

That's why I decided to ask (overall I think diet is my weakest point to implement at the moment -> I need to do more reading), Thank you for the response and clarifications. I really appreciate it.