Weights of Comp Lifts vs. Acc. Lifts – Bridge 1

[jab]

Hi guys,

Does anyone of you experience the same pattern:

Comp DL, 5reps w/ belt vs. bock pulls with 7reps w/o belt -> comp DL weight is about 10% more
<-- Shouldnt i lift more weight when doing block pulls even though i do 7 reps compared to 5? Block pulls should be "easier" since the ROM is smaller.

Comp 1ct bench press, 5reps vs. close grip bench, 4reps (also 1ct) -> Actually my cgbp weight is about 10% more
<-- Shouldnt i lift more weight with the comp bench, even though i do only 4 reps with the cgbp? The comp bench needs more chest muscle involvement which should in theory make it the stronger lift compared to the cgbp - right?

Is that a thing more ppl observe?

(did ssnlp and am in 2./3. week of the bridge (couldnt train properly for like 3/4 weeks due to back pain. So we are talking about 110kg comp DL and 75kg comp bench here)

[teddyd]

ROM is only part of it. It will differ between people dependent on the bio-mechanics of said lifter, i.e. different bone lengths, different muscle insertion points, different muscle belly lengths, different tendon lengths, etc. Additionally it is how trained you are in a specific movement. If you have predominantly done competition deadlifts, you will be more neuromuscularly efficient in that movement as compared to block pull deadlifts.

There is no should. You use a higher weight for deadlifts than block pull deadlifts, so be it. You also use a higher weight for CGBP you than bench press, again so be it. Over time this may change for you as you get more familiar doing movements. However, as competition lifts are the backbone of the BBM training programs, it is likely that a BBM trainee will more often than not be more neuromuscularly efficient at the competition lifts, thus lifting more than the accessory/supplemental lifts.

Just keep improving on each lift (competition, accessory, and supplemental) and over the next few years it won't really matter.

As an anecdote, Alan Thrall did a video relatively recently about SLDL and RDL. He stated therein that he is stronger on SLDL than RDL. I can say that I am stronger on RDL than SLDL. So Alan and I are two different lifters with different biomechanics, different neuromuscular efficiencies, different training histories, and with different experience in the same accessory lifts. At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter to Alan what I find easier and it doesn't really matter to me what Alan finds easier. There is no should, there just is for each person.

[Dave_E]

Biomechanics and novel stress aside, the reduced ROM thing can be counterintuitive. I've always found exercises like block pulls, pin presses, floor presses etc way more challenging.
Not being able to utilize even that tiny bit of reflex / elastic energy to get the weight moving makes a noticeable difference, at least initially.

[GoWolfpack]

Biomechanics and novel stress aside, the reduced ROM thing can be counterintuitive. I've always found exercises like block pulls, pin presses, floor presses etc way more challenging.
Not being able to utilize even that tiny bit of reflex / elastic energy to get the weight moving makes a noticeable difference, at least initially.

Often times too the starting position of the lifts puts you in a significant amount of pre-tension that is taken away from you with the variations you mentioned. Pin presses are especially hard, even from significantly higher than my collarbone, because the normal press setup and start positions help to create so much tension and tightness before the lift starts.