# HV force production question **URL:** \ **Category:** Training Q&A \[Moderated\]\ **Created:** [October 26, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572 "2021-10-26T23:22:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tfranc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@tfranc](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/tfranc)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 11:22pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/1 "2021-10-26T23:22:48Z")
I think I’m becoming interested in practicing some high velocity force production stuff in training, just because I think it’s kinda cool and specifically would like to get better at power cleans. However, I’m still primarily interested in increasing strength in the barbell lifts. Is there a way to practice power cleaning without it being a detriment to overall training? I’m expecting the answer to be “no” lol A thought I had: practice the powerclean by replacing some lighter deadlift warm up reps with a few sets of submaximal power cleans. thanks for your time! ---
**Author:** ![Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.barbellmedicine.com/jordan_feigenbaum/32/1315_2.png) [@Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/Jordan_Feigenbaum)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 3:30pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/2 "2021-10-27T15:30:24Z")
You _can_ do anything you like, but I don’t think you’re likely to get much out of practicing power cleans (and not training them) outside of getting a little better at power cleans…maybe. I think in your case, you can train high velocity force production equivalently well by moving all of your warm ups as fast as possible, though at some point you’ll need some dedicated training. Still, I don’t think power cleans or Olympic variants have any advantage a developing _general_ high velocity force production over other movements, but if you like them, I’d find a way to get them in your program. That all being said, I would 10/10 recommend finishing your current training program without modification. ---
**Author:** ![tfranc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@tfranc](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/tfranc)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/3 "2021-10-27T16:55:16Z")
Ok, thanks so much for the clarity on this. It’s cool to know that there isn’t unique benefit to performing the oly lifts… It seems to mean that if you were strength training and wanted to train high velocity force production in a concentrated way for a while, you wouldn’t have to give up practicing the powerlifting barbell lifts and have to focus on completely different exercises ---
**Author:** ![Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.barbellmedicine.com/jordan_feigenbaum/32/1315_2.png) [@Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/Jordan_Feigenbaum)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/4 "2021-10-28T15:32:31Z")
> [@tfranc](#): > > Ok, thanks so much for the clarity on this. It’s cool to know that there isn’t unique benefit to performing the oly lifts… It seems to mean that if you were strength training and wanted to train high velocity force production in a concentrated way for a while, you wouldn’t have to give up practicing the powerlifting barbell lifts and have to focus on completely different exercises It just depends how you’d like to specifically be able to demonstrate high velocity force production, which would then determine the training methods selected. ---
**Author:** ![tfranc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@tfranc](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/tfranc)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 3:25am UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/5 "2021-10-29T03:25:54Z")
> [@Jordan\_Feigenbaum](#): > > It just depends how you’d like to specifically be able to demonstrate high velocity force production, which would then determine the training methods selected. So specific display goals need specific exercises, but for general development it doesn’t really matter… do I understand that right? ---
**Author:** ![Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.barbellmedicine.com/jordan_feigenbaum/32/1315_2.png) [@Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/Jordan_Feigenbaum)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 6:42pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/6 "2021-10-29T18:42:04Z")
Well, general development is just broader so more exercises would _work_ by definition. ---
**Author:** ![tfranc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@tfranc](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/tfranc)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 5:31am UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/7 "2021-11-02T05:31:18Z")
Oh I see. “Broadness” describes variety of movements, not a general idea of carryover, or more specifically, not that training power cleans makes you more explosive overall, just that you get more explosive with the power clean, because strength is specific. ---
**Author:** ![Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.barbellmedicine.com/jordan_feigenbaum/32/1315_2.png) [@Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/Jordan_Feigenbaum)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/8 "2021-11-02T15:45:32Z")
I’m not sure I follow and I didn’t use the word “broadness”. I said, “Well, general development is just broader so more exercises would _work_ by definition.” and this means that because _general development_ is non specific by definition, there are more exercises that’ll work. Training power cleans **does** likely improve high velocity force production, though the greatest improvement will be in power cleans and similar activities. ---
**Author:** ![tfranc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@tfranc](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/tfranc)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/9 "2021-11-03T17:57:30Z")
OH I get it now. That’s what I thought you were saying, but second-guessed myself. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me understand. If I may ask one last question (if it’s not too much trouble): For general high velocity force production development, is there a prioritization of exercises you would chose (ie. choosing one over another, eg. power cleans over high velocity dumbbell presses or something) if time was too much of a limiting factor to have a wider variety of movements during a workout? thanks again so much for your time ---
**Author:** ![Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex001/user_avatar/forum.barbellmedicine.com/jordan_feigenbaum/32/1315_2.png) [@Jordan\_Feigenbaum](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/Jordan_Feigenbaum)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/10 "2021-11-05T00:43:39Z")
> [@tfranc](#): > > For general high velocity force production development, is there a prioritization of exercises you would chose (ie. choosing one over another, eg. power cleans over high velocity dumbbell presses or something) if time was too much of a limiting factor to have a wider variety of movements during a workout? > > thanks again so much for your time I think it would be helpful for your understanding if you took a shot at answering this. What do you think? ---
**Author:** ![tfranc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/77aa72/32.png) [@tfranc](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/tfranc)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/hv-force-production-question/11572/11 "2021-11-06T21:28:51Z")
> [@Jordan\_Feigenbaum](#): > > I think it would be helpful for your understanding if you took a shot at answering this. What do you think? Yes? I think? I suppose if I was coaching someone I would just have them do the compound lifts at high velocity/lighter weights, even over power cleans, push presses, etc.