# Replacing Pendlay rows
**URL:** https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/replacing-pendlay-rows/4188
**Category:** Training Q&A \[Moderated\]
**Created:** [November 30, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/replacing-pendlay-rows/4188 "2018-11-30T09:53:13Z")
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### Author:  [@rho](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/rho)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/replacing-pendlay-rows/4188/1 "2018-11-30T09:53:13Z")
Hello Jordan, Austin,
I’m looking for a good replacement for the Pendlay rows in your templates.
I’ve tried them in many programs in the past, I’ve tried them in a few of your templates, they just don’t work for me.
I can’t make any progress on them and the biggest effect I get from them is painful elbows (inside, bicep tendons?). It’s the same effect every time they are incorporated in my training.
It can be technique, but I honestly don’t care for them anymore.
So, I’m looking for a good replacement.
What I noticed from previous training programs is that with a neutral grip or narrow grip I get better results and my elbows stay healthy.
I’m considering following option:
- db row
- V-bar row
- chin-up
- narrow grip pull-up
Is there any variant you prefer over any other?
I noticed that back training helps quite a bit with squats and DL. So I would like to keep some sort of rows in my training. But not Pendlay rows.
Training goals: powerlifting
Any advise is welcome.
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### Author:  [@Alex\_Kovaleski](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/Alex_Kovaleski)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2018, 7:43pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/replacing-pendlay-rows/4188/2 "2018-11-30T19:43:38Z")
> [@rho](#):
>
> I’m considering following option:
>
> - db row
> - V-bar row
> - chin-up
> - narrow grip pull-up
I would first recommend narrow-grip pull-ups or chin-ups (doesn’t matter _that_ much which you pick between the two) if you can complete them for the programmed repetitions and meet the programmed RPE goal, as well as have a belt to overload this movement over time as you get stronger. V-bar rows and dumbbell rows would be my second and third recommendations, respectively.
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### Author:  [@rho](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/u/rho)
#### Post date: [November 30, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.barbellmedicine.com/t/replacing-pendlay-rows/4188/3 "2018-11-30T22:28:07Z")
Hello Alex,thanks for the reply.
I can use a power-band for assistance for longer sets of pull/chin-ups.
I also have a belt for loading when I get better at them. 🙂
I’ll keep the V-bar rows for GPP work then.