Macro Suggestions and emailing a response to a Wellness Doc

Hi all, Merry Christmas. Client info: 70 year old Male, 6’4", 190lbs. Goals are to optimize his health, remain independent, and gain muscle ie “get jacked”. Client is an otherwise healthy individual.

Has been active his whole life e.g. college basketball player, last 40 years regularly plays golf and tennis. He began resistance training 5 weeks ago and is loving it. Fortunately he also has a wellness Doc. I received an analysis of my Macro suggestions with respect to his client profile and said goals from his Wellness Doc. The majority of suggestions with respect to macros are based from BBM e.g. to be a beast, Optimizing Protein, etc.

My main concerns are the narratives, my client fearful of eating “too much” protein, and not reaching said goals. Additionally, in an attempt to follow up respectively, I’m seeking suggestions on how to do this so not relationships aren’t damaged and that the client receives the optimal recommendations.

To be clear, I’m seeking suggestions when I write my response with an aim to get my client to not be fearful of what his Wellness Doc writes. I have studies to aid in my “defense” though I’m interested in forwarding more, especially those that have been proved useful with respect to getting a client to “believe”.

Per Wellness Doc

  1. I agree with the need for increased protein intake in older individuals. However, extra dietary protein will not absorb and assist significantly with muscle mass increase unless (1) you exercise (especially weight bearing) on a regular basis to stimulate muscle fiber synthesis and increase in size and unless (2) your hormone support system (HCG, testosterone and Ipamorelin) are at functional (ideally optimal) levels. The second is crucial for the first to work more than the minimum. So, extra protein without optimal hormone levels to support the effort of weight bearing exercise does very little good. To quote your trainer: “…Elderly adults are less responsive to the anabolic (muscle building) stimulus of low doses of amino acid intake compared to younger individual…” mostly because elderly individuals in the great majority have low hormone profiles: testosterone in men, estrogen in women, growth hormone in both sexes are low. You, fortunately, are not a member of the “great majority”
  2. I do not agree with his recommendation that you consume 220 grams protein daily. His notation of 1.1gm/lb misses the mark, which should be gm/lb muscle mass, not gm/lb body weight. Based on your last DXA body composition analysis, you have 72kg muscles mass (146 pounds) and should consume 1.0gm protein/lb muscle mass, or approximately 150grams protein daily. If you progress to higher weights with training, could rise to 200grams per day but no more than 150 grams on regular work out days and even less on days of rest. Excess dietary protein is a challenge to your kidneys and, over time, will cause damage.
  3. I do not agree with you consuming 400grams carbohydrate daily. That converts to 1,600 calories. My frequent recommendation is to consume no more than 100grams daily (400 calories). You are exceptional because your body fat percentage was 7.5% at your last test in January 2019. You might well need 200grams carbohydrate daily. Keep in mind that exercise mobilizes blood sugar, then muscle-stored sugar, then liver-stored sugar. Only then will your body tap into sugar stored as body fat (ketosis)
  4. There is no limit to the amount of fat you can safely consume, though bowel response (bloating, gas, etc.) is a consideration. Skew fat intake to “healthy” fat (unsaturated to varying degrees) and limit saturated fat. However, fat calories per se don’t matter a whit. You cannot get fat eating fat. Dietary fat does not convert to body fat (excess sugar converts to body fat in a NY minute) Thank you all. Merry Christmas!

Frankie,

I saw that you posted this in our FB group and I think you got some good suggestions. I’d be curious as to why he has a “wellness doc” and what their relationship is, but otherwise I don’t think it’s a high percentage shot to try and counter any of this given your professional relationship.

A few notes:

I agree with the need for increased protein intake in older individuals. However, extra dietary protein will not absorb and assist significantly with muscle mass increase unless (1) you exercise (especially weight bearing) on a regular basis to stimulate muscle fiber synthesis and increase in size and unless (2) your hormone support system (HCG, testosterone and Ipamorelin) are at functional (ideally optimal) levels. The second is crucial for the first to work more than the minimum. So, extra protein without optimal hormone levels to support the effort of weight bearing exercise does very little good. To quote your trainer: “…Elderly adults are less responsive to the anabolic (muscle building) stimulus of low doses of amino acid intake compared to younger individual…” mostly because elderly individuals in the great majority have low hormone profiles: testosterone in men, estrogen in women, growth hormone in both sexes are low. You, fortunately, are not a member of the “great majority”

Your client appears to be resistance training now, so I’m not sure this is a well thought out response.

To make matters worse, the then (seemingly) is recommending HCG, testosterone, and Ipamorelin for hormonal support. To be clear, there are no medical uses for HCG in men outside of potentially maintaining testicular volume while using anabolic agents. Ipamorelin, a growth hormone secretatagogue, has never, ever been approved by the FDA after failing phase II clinical trials.

The hormonal status of older individuals appears not to play any role in anabolic resistance:

The main drivers of anabolic resistance are inactivity and chronic disease.

I do not agree with his recommendation that you consume 220 grams protein daily. His notation of 1.1gm/lb misses the mark, which should be gm/lb muscle mass, not gm/lb body weight.

Again, this individual is unfamiliar with the current recommendations for protein intake for older adults that are ~ 1.2-2.0 g/kg/day, with some individuals requiring higher intake secondary to active lifestyle or critical illness.

https://www.clinicalnutritionjournal…111-3/fulltext

Excess dietary protein is a challenge to your kidneys and, over time, will cause damage.

I do not agree with you consuming 400grams carbohydrate daily. That converts to 1,600 calories. My frequent recommendation is to consume no more than 100grams daily (400 calories)

However, fat calories per se don’t matter a whit. You cannot get fat eating fat.

Dietary fat does not convert to body fat

excess sugar converts to body fat in a NY minute)

This is all 100% nonsense.

Who is this guy? I’d love to publicly debate him :slight_smile:

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Jordan,
Thank you for the response. I too was a bit thrown off with the analysis. If my memory is correct he has had this Wellness Doc for some years now and he sees him once a year. I will take your advice given the relationship and not counter. With that said Fitz (the client) will likely ask what I thought about the analysis, therefore any suggestions in responding is much appreciated.

In our initial conversation the client (Fitz) reported having trouble for years putting on size though has been active his whole life. He’s been compliant of my suggestions thus far e.g. eating more protein, creatine mono daily and fingers crossed will continue to be. Fitz, is a pretty down to earth dude who seems to be open to suggestions. He is extremely motivated to get “jacked” confirmed by his his willingness to buy equipment e.g. shoes, belt, partake in new exercises e.g. squat, deadlift and share my suggestions with his Wellness Doc…

I too would like to see the debate and have Fitz read too, hopefully resulting in him reconsidering the Wellness Doc. Of note, I entertained forwarding him some of the resources you listed above. Again, thank you for the time, I appreciate it.
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Per Wellness Doc’s email signature here is his info:
Thomas J Berenguer, MD
PrimeFit Medical
5335 Wisconsin Ave NW, Suite 440
Washington, DC 20015
Ph: 202.885.5555

Yikes, looks like another anti-aging quackaroo. 10/10 would avoid.

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Yeah man… I’m again going to have to work on diplomacy when chatting with Fitz when we meet next. I certainly note that those who ignore evidence makes it challenging to “defend” myself. That said I’m open to any suggestions you may have.

I probably wouldn’t. If Fitz is open to hearing your recommendations then I’d make them within the scope of your practice. If he (Fitz) trusts this wellness doc, I’m not sure there’s much you can do. It would be a waste of time to directly challenge the doc one on one, even though he is hilariously wrong on most things he wrote here.

Understood. Thanks for the feedback.

He is board-certified in obstetrics and gynecology, and therefore outside of his area.