5% increase for 1 RPE doesn't work

From The Bridge, “In other words, if the prescription is 4 reps @ 7, 4 reps @ 8, 4 reps @ 9, do sets of 4 all the way up until you get to something that feels like a RPE 7. Then, add 5% to the bar, which should get you close to an 8. Then add another 5% to the bar for your @9 set. By adding 5% bar weight while maintaining the rep range, we typically see an increase in RPE by 1.”

This seems miles out. Using the chart, 4 reps @ 7 will be at 81%. Adding 5% will put us at 85.1% (this is our ‘@8’ set, but is @8.5 on the chart). Adding another 5% puts us at 89.3%, above even the @10 RPE for 4 reps.

Basically, following this advice of adding 5% to get from @7 to @8 to @9 basically always put you at over @10.

Both methods of planning the weight to be added for the RPE are estimates. You need to start with your RPE 7, then work up from there. If I squat 250x4 @7, I can add 5% or 10-15 lbs for 260-275x4 @8 and then 285-290x4 @9. That would be very close to the RPE scale of having one rep lift for my final set. But given that I will round the bar weight up or down, I’d go with this progression rather than use fractional plates for the squat.

Use the percentages and calculators to help you plan, but also judge your RPE on the way up as you should NOT be overshooting to RPE 10 on the Bridge.

Thanks for the response. Please bear with me on this one because this really doesn’t work and I think you’ll see what I mean.

So if you can do 285 x 4 @ 9, that’s about 86% on the table so e1RM would be 331 lbs. That means your 250 x 4 was only 76%, which should have been wayyy below RPE 7. You should have been able to do 9 reps at that weight, so you had 5 in the tank.

I’m genuinely curious about this and not trying to argue for the sake of it. The numbers are absolutely miles off. My honest best guess at this point is that nobody actually uses the table, and that it was just put in the ebook to help beginners without seeing if the numbers match. My guess is that the RPE numbers you all refer to have nothing to do with the %s shown in the table, and are actually dramatically lower (e.g. RPE @ 8 would be 2-3 reps in the tank, RPE @ 7 would be several reps left in the tank).

Here’s why this is important. Somebody downloads the ebook for the first time, and sees that they need to do e.g. 3 at @ 7, then 3 @ 8, then 3 @ 9. So they look at the table, see that 3 @ 7 is 84%, and do that, and it feels @ 7 as expected. Great. They then add 5% to the weight (so they’re now at 88%) for their ‘@ 8’ set. They add another 5% (so they’re now at 93%) for their ‘@ 9’ set, which they fail because it’s above RPE 10.

I’ve noticed that there’s a lot of push-back to RPE over at SS and I’m not surprised. I’m sure there’s a fantastic, clear, methodical way to use this system, but it definitely isn’t written down in this ebook. I realise the book is free but it’s a great shame to have put so much effort into it and have the actual RPE explanation be so confusing. It’s totally unclear how you actually make progression. In the above example, how would you know where your opening @ 7 should be if the table doesn’t work? How do you make progress each week?

It’s possible that I’m being dense about this. But if so, I think there’s a lot of dense people around. Can we just get an RPE For Stupid People guide that we can just follow to the letter starting at the beginning of the exercise?

First, keep in mind the handy chart on page 25. This guide to helping your assess your RPE is important. Then keep in mind that you use the calculator and percentages as guides, not as exact loads. So if we take your example of 285x4 @9, we can see this from the chart. And again we round the numbers-270, 280, 285. If I start with 270 and add 5% (13.5) I round down to 280 for the @8 and then 295 might be my @9. However I can also round down for the @9, since this is NOT just calculations but must also involve lifter evaluation and judgment. You make progress by adding weight to the bar, fitting with your RPE for the day. It’s not an exact linear progression at times, but that’s definitely the point. There comes a time in every lifter’s development when judgment must be made about how much to add to the bar or even whether less should be on the bar. The goal for someone starting on an RPE program is most often-keep adding reasonable increments of weight to the bar. However we all know that we can’t keep adding weight for eternity, so in order to keep the overall training volume and stimulus on track, RPE allows you to adjust the bar weight as is appropriate. In this example, it would be perfectly acceptable to go 270/280/290, or 265/275/285 and then using that information, you work up from there the next week.

1 2 3 4
10 330 315 305 295
9.5 323 310 300 290
9 315 304 295 285
8.5 310 300 290 281
8 304 295 285 276
7.5 300 290 281 272
7 295 285 276 268

Dunno if this fits the bill, but these are from Mike Tuchscherer’s website:

http://articles.reactivetrainingsystems.com/2015/11/29/beginning-rts/

http://articles.reactivetrainingsystems.com/2016/01/06/customizing-your-rpe-chart/

Awk1993, you raise an interesting point. If we run the numbers you used in your example, then you’re right: the RPE chart and the suggestion to “increase by 5%” seem to produce different results. I’m also just starting The Bridge, so I’m new to the RPE/percentage systems as well. I wanted to explain my rationale for the discrepancy you’ve noticed.

From The Bridge: “By adding 5% bar weight while maintaining the rep range, we typically see an increase in RPE by 1.” Note the word “typically.” With RPE, we can’t expect perfect predictability in our numbers, only “typical” predictors. Since RPE is a scale of “perceived” exertion, which is an individual and ever-changing variable, there can be no reliable system of calculation. Even the RPE/percentage chart is only a rough estimation. Unlike the SSLP with its predictable weights, the percentage system is sort of based on “line of best fit” estimations of RPE, which is inherently difficult to predict on the individual scale.

As such, it’s understood (I think) that beginners are going to suck at gauging RPE at first. After all, most of us have probably never done it before. It seems pretty challenging, and a total mental paradigm shift under the bar. It will take some time to get the hang of it, but when we go into the gym we need to start somewhere. That’s where the percentage chart comes into play. Percentages, unlike perceptions, are calculable. No one is saying that the numbers will always directly correlate with our perceptions, only that those numbers are commonly suggestive of general RPE ranges given an e1RM (don’t forget that e is for estimated, which means the entire chart is only an estimate). So when we have two pieces of conflicting information like you’ve noted, I think we ought to assume that they’re both attempting to guide us toward accurate weights, but stemming from different observable phenomena. For this reason, the suggested 5% increase for each 1 RPE increment need not map directly onto the RPE/percentage table. In short, it might be best to imagine every percentage having a (~) in front of it, indicating its uncertainty.

You asked, “how would you know where your opening @ 7 should be if the table doesn’t work?” I would say you know where your @7 should be when you actually lift it. The percentage estimates will get you close (as they are meant to do), but it’s ultimately your call. When you recognize that you’ve completed a set @7 according to the RPE criteria (“fairly quick like an easy opener”), then you’ve completed your @7 set.

Let me give an example from my first day of The Bridge. I calculated my estimated close grip bench sets using the RPE/percentage charts and my previous lifts. Now, having only done the SSLP, I’ve never done “close grip” bench, only “normal” bench. I made the assumption that the close grip bench would be considerably more difficult than normal, so when I calculated my 4 rep bench numbers @7, @8, and @9, I subtracted ten pounds from each, thinking lower numbers would probably feel more difficult. When I got to the gym and actually tried the first estimate (170x4@7), I found that it was way easier than I expected. So I didn’t count that set as my @7 because, obviously, it wasn’t an RPE 7. I went up fifteen pounds and that felt closer to an @7. My subsequent two sets (@8 and @9) were 20 lbs and 25 lbs greater than my initial estimates, respectively. So I kind of felt it out as I went. Instead of worrying about what specific weight was on the bar, I had to focus on what the weight actually felt like. Now, on the other hand, my first-day estimates for squat were pretty much dead-on. But for both of the lifts, my main focus was trying to determine how difficult the lift was, rather than focusing on the number on the bar.

This stuff isn’t easy, but we’re the kind of people who are all about challenges, right? I don’t expect to get all of this perfect, but I’m hoping that after 8 or 10 weeks, I’ll have a better understanding of RPE, and be able to better gauge what my body is capable of at any given time. Hope this helps!

4-5% works out for me, it’s usually 10lbs for stuff that’s between 200-300lbs, 10-15lbs for stuff between 300-400lbs, 15-20lbs for 400lbs+.

One thing for me is: the higher the reps, the farther away I get from what the table says based on my 1RM (as estimated from singles). For example, my squat 1RM is 445 and the table says I should be able to do 385x3@8 but 385x3 actually feels like a @9 to me. My guess is that with more experience and mental strength this will get closer to what it should be

In any case, these are just estimates, once you do it for a while you’ll have a better idea.

I just started rpe and I don’t see it as being about percentages if I pause squat 100kg it feels like a rpe 8 when I do the wieight again it feels like a rpe 9 next week I’ll add 5kg to the rpe 8 set