Training through nagging sciatica

I am a 31 year old male, 200 lbs, 6’0". I started SSLP back in November in an effort to try to strengthen my lower back and move past some lower back pain that had been especially irritated since August. At the time it was just my lower back that would hurt. I have spent a lot of time since then reading your articles on pain, listening to all the podcasts, watching videos like Alan’s video on back pain, etc. Enough time to be sure that building strength and keeping moving was the best thing I could do for it. I started with the bar for my squats because that was what I could do without causing any shooting pain if I paid strict attention to my form. I submitted form checks pretty shortly after I got started over on the Starting Strength facebook group page. Aside from a couple of tweaks my back pain that I was familiar with has stayed constant or slightly improved. Shorty after I started in November I began to feel a different sensation which at first just felt like a tightness in my left leg. Eventually by January it began to be very uncomfortable to take a full length stride as I was walking. By the end of January it turned into what I realized people referred to as sciatica. I began to have a burning pain in my butt, down the back of my leg and into either my calf or the front of my shin, sometimes into my foot. Around this time I began to wake up after a few hours of sleeping and started having a lot of trouble sitting beyond a few minutes. I visited my doctor who thought 5 days of a steroid could reduce swelling enough to let my body relax and calm the sciatica. I felt a lot of relief the 2nd day but before the end of it was back to not sleeping well, lying down in my office to work and kneeling at the couch to eat my dinner.

I thought my form in my lifts was probably similar to most who started on SSLP, lots to learn but actively working to brace properly, keep my head down, control my descent, etc. I kept submitting form checks and making sure I worked to improve my technique but decided I better seek out a starting strength coach. March 16 my wife drove me a couple of hours away to meet with the closest coach. I had worked up to 3x5x255 for squat, 1x5x275 for deadlift, 3x5x135 for bench and 3x5x107.5 for press. He gave me some great cues and coaching, reset my working weights a little below where I had been, suggested that I add an 80% day midweek for squats and begin deadlifting on the A-B rotation rather than every workout. Instead of powercleans he suggested I might try training chins on those days to lessen irritation on my lower back.

Since then I have worked back up to 260 for my squats and 285 for deadlift. I started adding in chins and currently am at 6 sets of 3. Generally I feel much better once I get up to my work sets for squats during my workouts. I don’t usually feel significant pain during my workouts but my last deadlift set I had the shooting pain down my leg during the set, felt like I couldn’t get equal weight on my left leg and failed on the last rep. The past few times getting to step 2 on the deadlift setup has caused a lot of increased pain down my leg.

My symptoms from the sciatica have largely stayed the same although about a week ago I started to get numbness in two of my toes that is constant. I am pretty exhausted from not sleeping well for a few months and am frustrated by the pain in general and my inability to function normally through my everyday activities. At a follow up appointment my doctor suggested trying a 2nd round of oral steroids (felt relief on the first day but didn’t didn’t last beyond the 3rd day). She also wanted to have imaging of the lumbar spine done which my insurance company would not approve until a full course of physical therapy was completed anyway.

My understanding from following all the information that you guys have put out is that an MRI is very likely to show some kind of disc damage (similar to the rest of the population, regardless of whether or not they are experiencing back pain) and that this will be blamed for my sciatica. If programing and technique are satisfactory and the pain is prolonged for a significant period of time would there ever come a time where you would agree with the recommendation to have imaging done?

Is there reason to think having my programing evaluated would be a proper step or that I could be hindering recovery by continuing to train without any alterations? I have been seriously considering signing up for online coaching but realize that this usually is more useful for someone who is post-novice and am worried that I could be wasting my time at this point.

Overall my mindset has been “keep training and this will go away on its own like sciatica tends to”. Maybe this will be the only recommendation but my frustration level is high enough to put this out on the forum and see if something jumps out at someone.

Thanks for taking the time to moderate this forum and help people improve their understanding of barbell training. It is very much appreciated.

The situations where imaging could be helpful would be in the setting of classic “red flag” signs, such as motor weakness (like foot drop), fevers, weight loss, and a number of others – basically, findings which would radically change what we do for management (e.g,. surgery or other treatments depending on what, exactly, is going on).

If you only have fluctuating/non-progressive sensory symptoms and are not planning to get spine surgery, then the MRI is unlikely to significantly change what you end up doing in the long run.

It sounds like you can squat OK, but certain steps in the deadlift tend to irritate it. Have you tried doing block/rack pulls? Sometimes a temporary switch to sumo deadlifting can help people desensitize things as well. Are you grinding/missing reps in training? Do you have any issues with depression or anxiety? These (among many other things) can all play a role here.

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I am not experiencing any of the red flag symptoms and have no thoughts towards surgery. My intention is to control or rehab the pain through intelligent and consistent training but just don’t feel I’ve crossed any sort of positive threshold yet. Neither depression nor anxiety have been a past issue aside from currently feeling anxious about moving beyond this sciatica. It is at the forefront of my mind continually which makes focus on the rest of life challenging. As far as grinding through and missing reps, this past deadlift set was my first missed rep but I have backed off on weight a few times due to pain and/or a breakdown in form.

I was wondering if rack pulls might be appropriate but have never tried them. Would I just start at a height that I can get into without a breakdown in form? Would volume and intensity be the same as deadlifts?

Thanks for for the response.

The constant attention and hypervigilance towards your symptoms can definitely exacerbate the issue, though I know it’s easier said than done to take your mind off of it.

There is no reason for you to be missing reps or having form breakdown at this stage of training. You aren’t building peak strength right now, and don’t need to be handling circa-max effort weights where form has an opportunity to become an issue.

Yes, I would find a height where you can pull comfortably, and gradually work your way up in weight & down in rack height over time. Do not concern yourself with the intensity (i.e., the weight on the bar) for a while - it doesn’t matter. You’re trying to rehab/fix your symptoms, and no one is going to be impressed with how much weight you rack pull if you end up re-tweaking your back from inappropriate loading. Start out light, progress the load up more slowly than you want to, and work on the mental approach - working on fear and re-appraisal of your symptoms.

Thank you. Your points are well taken.

Have debated asking my own back issue question in this forum, as it is reoccuring theme. It seems to me that back pain triggers far more emotions than any other pain in the body. For me, it is frustrating and mentally debilitating because it seems like all you read on the internet (note: don’t ready forums about people discussing back pain) are stories of people dealing with pain for 5, 10, 15 years. I know this is nuanced and will vary case by case, but is there a time where someone could suffer chronic back pain and still live a life without it some day?

Mark, I feel the frustration. I wish you the best with training and rehab. Because I’m learning more about the mental component to all of this (thanks, Austin), I’ve learned to really focus on what is important in life. Life can get stressful on its own, and it doesn’t help matters when you add a component such as this. Therefore, if you double down on the things you enjoy, your mind really does work favors for you.

We recently had a doctor suggest an MRI in order to rule out any otherwise undetected serious (and likely rather unusual) problem, in the context of trying to diagnose and figure treatment for hip and upper leg pain. That sounded plausible to me, but I wonder what you think.

The results of the MRI were essentially: normal problems seen in a person of that age and gender. I’d imagine other doctors would have interpreted the results in a more frightening manner.

Yes, absolutely.