I am 27, been strength training with barbells for about 2 years, been using the Legacy Strength Template and Legacy Hypertrophy Template on rotation since January 2019. My only goal was to get stronger in my 1 rep max for the squat, bench and deadlift. 6 weeks ago I decided I was going to lose weight and have begun to reduce calories.
1 week ago, I was on the week 3 day 1 of the Hypertrophy Template and got a PR of 162.5kg of 6@8 on my competition squat. No pain or issues during that session. I went home and sat around home most of the day like I normally do.
However, about 2 hours after that session, I started to get really sore on the top of my right knee, around the top of my knee cap. Getting up from the couch or climbing upstairs was really uncomfortable and I felt considerable pain. Not enough pain to stop me from doing it, but I had to move quite slowly and still felt very sore. It also hurts when I bend and hold my leg at anything beyond 30 degrees. Also pushing or moving my knee cap also causes some mild discomfort.
I was still feeling quite sore and uncomfortable for the rest of the day and the day after. The next day after that I went back to training as scheduled, where I was doing my competition deadlifts, competition benching, and leg pressing for myo reps. While I felt some mild discomfort during all these exercises, I was able to push through with no considerable pain.
However a couple hours later it got really sore again. This is still happening a week later, even though I have reduced the weight on the bar for squats and with my knee feeling ok (some mild discomfort) while training, but feeling really sore and uncomfortable afterwards and the next day.
I am not sure what to do from here, it seems that squats and leg pressing aggravate it and it has not been getting better over the week. No swelling or anything else is happening.
Should I just keep training and see where I am in a week or so? Should I stop squatting for a week and see how it is?
@Patorikku sorry to hear about the recent knee symptoms. Typically we recommend continuing to train but adjust load to allow for tolerable symptoms during and after training. If you are making adjustments to loading but still noticing increased symptoms after training then more adjustments likely need to be made. How have you been adjusting load? My usual initial recommendation is drop RPE by a point.
I am just starting my second run of the Legacy 4 day 12 Week Strength Template. My squats would normally look like for the first 4 weeks:
Day 1: Competition Squat with belt:
1@8
Then 20% off for 5 sets of 5
Day 2: 3-0-3 Tempo Squat:
Work up to 10@9
Then 5% off for 1 more set of 10 reps.
Day 3: Squat, no belt:
Work up to 4@9
Then 5% off for 2-3 Sets of 4 reps.
Day 4: Leg Press
Work up to 10@9
Take 5% off for 2-3 sets of 10.
I am thinking of changing this for the next 4 weeks to:
Day 1: 2 count paused Competition Squat with belt: 5 sets of 8 at RPE 6.
Day 2: Bench Press accessory:
Work up to 10@9
Then 5% off for 1 more set of 10 reps.
Day 3: Squat, no belt: Work up to 6@6 for 5 Sets
Day 4: Leg Press
Work up to 12@6 for 5 sets
Overall, my main goals for the rest of the year are to: 1. Get rid of this discomfort in my knee.
2. Decrease my body-weight (going well so far) and;
3. Increase my 1RM for the Bench Press (going well so far).
So I do not mind any decreases in my 1RM for the squat. As of yesterday, I am committed to a long term plan of rehabbing my knee, as it did not resolve itself over the last 35 days.
Seems like a reasonable starting point, and that’s an important aspect of this discussion - finding a tolerable starting point to build from. Personally - I’d probably keep in tempo on any provocative movement to regulate top end external intensity. I’d also likely add in single-leg work 2-3 x / week. Keep us posted.
After trying the above for one week, I was still experiencing the same discomfort and pain. I have created my own 16 week plan. I have reduced the weight, volume and frequency, Over the 16 week period, I add back on weight, volume, and frequency. As well as changing the squat variations to my normal training program over time.
Date
Week
Squat 1
Sets
Reps
Weight
% of e1RM
Sets3
Reps4
Weight5
% of e1RM6
Squat 2
Sets7
Reps8
Weight9
% of e1RM10
Squat 3
Sets11
Reps12
Weight13
% of e1RM14
Squat 4
Sets15
Reps16
Weight17
% of e1RM18
Average Intensity
Total Reps
21/07/2019
Week 1
3-0-3 tempo
3
10
60
29%
29%
30
28/07/2019
Week 2
3-0-3 tempo
3
10
70
34%
3-0-3 tempo
3
10
80
39%
Tempo Leg Press
3
10
120
27%
33%
90
4/08/2019
Week 3
3-0-3 tempo
3
10
80
39%
5-3-0 tempo
3
6
80
39%
Tempo Leg Press
3
10
110
25%
34%
78
11/08/2019
Week 4
3-0-3 tempo
4
10
95
46%
5-3-0 tempo
3
6
90
44%
Tempo Leg Press
3
10
120
27%
39%
88
18/08/2019
Week 5
3-0-3 tempo
4
10
105
51%
Tempo Leg Press
3
10
135
31%
5-3-0 tempo
3
6
95
46%
43%
88
25/08/2019
Week 6
2ct Paused Squat
4
8
115
56%
Tempo Leg Press
4
10
135
31%
3-0-3 tempo
3
6
100
49%
45%
90
1/09/2019
Week 7
2ct Paused Squat
4
8
120
59%
Tempo Leg Press
4
10
135
31%
3-0-3 tempo
3
6
105
51%
47%
90
8/09/2019
Week 8
2ct Paused Squat
4
8
125
61%
Tempo Leg Press
5
10
140
32%
3-0-3 tempo
3
6
110
54%
49%
100
15/09/2019
Week 9
2ct Paused Squat
4
8
130
63%
Leg Press
5
10
155
35%
3-0-3 tempo
3
6
115
56%
52%
100
22/09/2019
Week 10
Squat /Belt
3
6
140
68%
3-0-3 tempo
5
15
90
44%
2ct Paused Squat
3
5
120
59%
Leg Press
5
10
160
36%
52%
158
29/09/2019
Week 11
Squat /Belt
3
6
145
71%
3-0-3 tempo
5
12
95
46%
2ct Paused Squat
3
5
120
59%
Leg Press
5
10
180
41%
54%
143
6/10/2019
Week 12
Squat /Belt
3
6
150
73%
3-0-3 tempo
4
10
105
51%
2ct Paused Squat
3
5
125
61%
Leg Press
5
10
190
43%
57%
123
13/10/2019
Week 13
Squat /Belt
3
5
150
73%
1
1
165
80%
3-0-3 tempo
4
10
110
54%
Squat
3
4
130
63%
Leg Press
5
10
200
45%
63%
118
20/10/2019
Week 14
Squat /Belt
3
5
155
76%
1
1
170
83%
3-0-3 tempo
4
10
115
56%
Squat
3
4
135
66%
Leg Press
5
10
200
45%
65%
118
27/10/2019
Week 15
Squat /Belt
3
5
160
78%
1
1
175
85%
3-0-3 tempo
4
10
120
59%
Squat
3
4
140
68%
Leg Press
5
10
220
50%
68%
118
3/11/2019
Week 16
Squat /Belt
3
5
165
80%
1
1
180
88%
3-0-3 tempo
4
10
120
59%
Squat
3
4
145
71%
Leg Press
5
10
220
50%
70%
118
I have been using this for a few weeks now and can train with much less discomfort and pain. I find that tempo work makes a big reduction is discomfort. By the end of the 16 weeks, I plan to be close to what I was squatting before.
Hey - glad to hear things are trending up for you, that’s awesome. It’s difficult to read through that program in it’s format on the forum and it would likely require a consult for us to go through it in detail and ensure it’s individualized to your needs.
Things are moving very well, moving weight comfortably that would have guaranteed aggravated my knee a few months ago.
I have my last week of the knee rehab template next week. After that I am looking at the Strength III template or Legacy Hypertrophy. Any suggestions? No meets coming up.
That’s awesome to hear. Suggestions - really depends on your goals moving forward. I don’t think there’s anything in particular you MUST do outside of picking a program to meet your training based goals.